The current era of DC Studios hasn’t been without its hiccups. While excitement for Clayface is running high, Supergirl didn’t exactly set the world on fire, and The Batman Part II is currently caught in a holding pattern. But the long wait to see Robert Pattinson slip back into the Batsuit still feels less likely to cause angst than the DC of 2017 did with Justice League.

Even before fans got to watch a single frame, the movie had a weighty backstory; the original director, Zack Snyder, departed after his daughter died by suicide. He was replaced by Joss Whedon, who became a controversial figure around that time for a variety of related and unrelated reasons.

As superhero fans well know, the fabled “Snyder Cut” of Justice League finally saw the light of day on HBO Max in 2021. But there’s still lingering trauma from the experience for star Ben Affleck, whose misery during his Batman era, which also included Snyder’s 2016 film Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, was so palpable it famously spawned the “Sadfleck” meme.

The erstwhile Bruce Wayne was a recent guest on Josh Horowitz’s Happy Sad Confused podcast (via the Hollywood Reporter), where he looked back on Justice League with whatever the opposite of joyful nostalgia might be.

“The truth is, the experience of Justice League for me was so, so negative for lots of different reasons,” Affleck said. “Some of which [had] to do with where I was personally, some of which [had] to do with the tragedy that happened during the time, and also the fact that I really saw how not to make a movie like that when the studio is at odds with the filmmaker.

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