For most people, the AI Era we’re now living in started sometime around the end of 2022, when OpenAI released the first consumer version of ChatGPT to much fanfare—and, ultimately, over 100 million downloads within a few short months.

In reality, as WIRED readers know, the story of artificial intelligence stretches back decades. And the work informing today’s generative AI products, from chatbots to agents and beyond, has been more than a decade—of blood, sweat, tears, and furious rivalries—in the making.

It’s that recent history, told through the interweaving stories of three generative AI leaders—OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google—that’s chronicled in Kevin Roose’s compelling new book, The AGI Chronicles. Roose, a longtime tech journalist who most recently served as a columnist and podcast host for The New York Times, conducted more than 150 interviews with AI insiders to compile what he hopes becomes something of a historical document, an accurate, in-depth retelling of the people and the institutions, the bloodbath and the drama, that brought Silicon Valley to where it is to today.

I spoke to Roose in late September, a few days after he and Casey Newton—with whom Roose previously cohosted the New York Times’ Hard Fork podcast—announced the creation of their new media company Machine Gods Media, alongside a podcast distribution deal with NPR. We talked about what Roose and Newton hope to accomplish with the new show, why traditional media companies have a talent problem, and, of course, all things artificial intelligence.

KATIE DRUMMOND: You and Casey Newton recently announced that you were launching a new media company, called Machine Gods Media.

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